tests documents

English translation: test results, documents

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French term or phrase:	tests documents
English translation:	test results, documents

19:39 Jul 24, 2014

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Bus/Financial - Business/Commerce (general) / in a company law contract

French term or phrase: tests documents

Hi all

Le soumissionnaire s'engage à considérer comme confidentiels l’ensemble des résultats des tests documents ainsi que toutes les informations et données, quel qu'en soit le support, qu'il s'échange à l'occasion de l'exécution du présent document.

This is in the confidentiality agreement attached to an Algerian contract. I think it's a typo, but has anyone else come across the expression 'tests documents'? Could be documentés, perhaps.

Thanks
Richard

Richard Pitwood KudoZ activity Questions: 3 (none open) Answers: 13 United Kingdom
Local time: 21:58

test results, documents

Explanation:
I'm pretty convinced all that is missing is a simple comma (think: the sort of thing that often gets missed when documents are scanned + OCR'ed)

I am constantly seeing in this sort of document (even from mainland France!) these sort of lengthy, rambling lists, with no final 'and' as we would normally have in EN.

Looking at the things being listed, test results, documents (i.e. of other kinds), information, and data just about covers all the usual categories of things that need to be kept confidential.

Personally, I've never encountered 'résultats des tests documents' in any kind of FR — the very word order itself is more EN than FR, and I'm much more used to seeing 'résultats des tests' or 'PV des essais' etc. Were it to be sued with documents, I'd have expected a word order more like 'documents des résultats des tests'.

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Tony M
France
Local time: 22:58

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documents containing the tests results

Simon Charass

3 +1

test results, documents

Tony M

test documents

Attorney DC Bar

Discussion entries: 3

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1 hr confidence:

documents containing the tests results

Explanation:
I think that they are referring to the documents containing the test results. Therefore I would suggest
“… as confidential the totality of documents containing the tests results…”

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Note added at 2 hrs (2014-07-24 21:45:33 GMT)
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Richard, I would not tell the client that there is any mistake, as this is French from Algeria and you and I are used to literary French from France. Also this is a legal document and “legalese” is as bad in French as it is in English. I would have written « l’ensemble des résultats des tests documentés » or « l’ensemble des documents des résultats des tests » but it would have had too many « des ».

Simon Charass
Canada
Local time: 16:58
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English,

French

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thanks, I'd assumed something similar. Really I want to know if I should tell the customer I think there's a mistake in the French, but don't want to look stupid if there is in fact no mistake.

Asker: You are very helpful, thanks. The rest of the document (3000+ words) is standard French, no scratching of the head involved after googling the possible Algerian equivalent of the Official Receiver, having to translate French into Latin as appropriate etc. If there had been any other mistakes in the document I'd have assumed this one was too but this is the only phrase I have struggled with. This is an Algerian government-owned entity giving out telecoms contracts, not some bloke down the road :)

2 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

résultats des tests, documents

test results, documents

Tony M
France
Local time: 22:58
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 571

Grading comment

Thanks

Notes to answerer

Asker: I agree. Because it looked so English my first assumption was that they had borrowed and mistranslated an English phrase into French, which I am then supposed to send back the other way. But the rest of the document is perfect French so I'm not tempted to go for that one.

8 hrs confidence:

test documents

Explanation:
How about the possibility that the drafter, being French-speaking, was using an English term "test documents", but was unconsciously trying to make it grammatically correct in French by putting the adjective in the plural...?

Attorney DC Bar
Local time: 22:58
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 104

Notes to answerer

Asker: I am not fond of that one because it says results just before. I think I will assume there are commas missing.

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