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Deutsch term

Jasem Bardawi

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Idyllenkreise

Deutsch > Englisch Sonstige Philosophie Johann Gottfried Herder

In dieser kleinen Gesellschaft leben die eigentlichen und ersten Freuden des Vaterlandes wie in einem "Idyllenkreise"; in "Idyllen" leibt und lebt das Land unsrer ersten Jugend.

Hi. I'm not sure about the meaning of "idyll" in this sentence. Is it about an idyllic condition? or it's about the idyll (poem)?
i.e. Is the "idyllic circle (Idyllenkreise)"
1. a set of idylls (poems)
2. a set of idyllic circumstances

Then, does our childhood land lives by such
1. poems
2. circumstances

Proposed translations (Englisch)

4	pleasing (or picturesque in natural simplicity) circle/world	Zoi Patrinou
3 +1	"Idylls Series" or "Idylls Cycle"	Peter Lautz

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Discussion

Björn Vrooman Jul 14, 2023: @Gordon Would you mind closing this question then? The robot needs two agrees to do so. I'm going to agree with Peter, who may want to add this link to his answer: "Idyllenkreis ‘Tischbeinscher I.’ für JHWTischbeins Bilderzyklus WA 491,318,22 Tischbeins Idyllen" https://woerterbuchnetz.de/?sigle=GWB&bookref=4,1473,25#1 General reference: https://woerterbuchnetz.de/#0 I cannot recommend this site enough (have known about it for a long time), as it includes several dictionaries that you may have never heard of or come across. It even offers "Herders(!) Conversations Lexikon"--though this one doesn't have the term asked for here (but Goethe's does). To all, enjoy your weekend
Gordon Matthews Jun 3, 2023: Thanks for context - essential in this case Given the context, for which many thanks, I'm inclined to agree with Peter Lautz that we have here a reference to Tischbein's "Idylls Series" or "Idylls Cycle". I shall therefore withdraw my answer and encourage Peter to post "Idylls Series" or "Idylls Cycle" as his own answer, so that credit may be given, where credit is due!
Jasem Bardawi Jun 3, 2023: context https://www.projekt-gutenberg.org/herder/humanita/chap006.ht... "Haben wir noch das Vaterland der Alten?" _________________________________________ It's a text about the fatherland. Here Herder is speaking about our first perceptions of it in the small community of our childhood. This text is translated in the book "Another Philosophy of History and Selected Political Writings" (p. 110): "It is in this small society that the first and foremost friends of the fatherland live, as in an idyllic circle; the land of our early youth lives by just such idylls." (It seems there's a difference between Freuden and Freunden in Suphan and DKV editions)
Gordon Matthews May 28, 2023: Context? Peter Lautz' discussion entry leaves me wondering whether "Idyllenkreise" might in this case be a reference to a series of paintings, an "idyll series", in which case I'm barking up the wrong tree with my answer "haven of peace and plenty". We need some context, please. Is this part of a text about a poem or about a painting? What is "In dieser kleinen Gesellschaft" referring to?
Peter Lautz May 28, 2023: Vermutlich ist der auch von Goethe erwähnte Idyllenkreis ein Hinweis auf eine Serie von Zeichnungen des Malers Tischbein https://www.meisterdrucke.uk/fine-art-prints/Johann-Heinrich...