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Do you accept rates breakdowns? Thread poster: Clément Marquet
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Hi,
I'm asked from an agency if I accept CAT tools rates breakdowns for repetitions.
I can't really figure out if this is fair... or not.
New translation --> full price
Fuzzy matches (75%-94%) --> 50% of full price
Fuzzy matches (95%-99%) --> 30% of full price
100% matches/repetitions --> Not to be handled
What do you usually do?
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Tony Bennjamin 
Indonesia
Local time: 22:52
Member (2013)
Indonesian to English
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Hi, I usually don't mind if an agent asking for Fuzzy discount. Only if the normal rate is still acceptable. In general, I didn't discount for the fuzzy under 75%.
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| Pricing schemes | Apr 26, 2022 |
Clément Marquet wrote:
Hi,
I'm asked from an agency if I accept CAT tools rates breakdowns for repetitions.
I can't really figure out if this is fair... or not.
New translation --> full price
Fuzzy matches (75%-94%) --> 50% of full price
Fuzzy matches (95%-99%) --> 30% of full price
100% matches/repetitions --> Not to be handled
What do you usually do?
My base rate is with a discount matrix. The discounts you are showing are normal.
I also offer a lower rate for customers not using one (about 30% discount), resulting in comparable hourly earnings.
We are talking about two different pricing schemes.
[Edited at 2022-04-26 06:11 GMT]
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| I have a reference grid | Apr 26, 2022 |
100%/reps: 20-25% of full rate
85-99% match: 60% of full rate
0-85% match: 100% of full rate
Homogeneity/internal fuzzies/fuzzies-to-be OFF
This is what I feel comfortable with (ie I earn a consistent, not "discounted", hourly rate). I figure out the money I should earn on a given project based on this grid, and compare it with what I am offered.
The difference is the money I LOSE (or give away to the agency).
Then it's a matter of increasing the... See more 100%/reps: 20-25% of full rate
85-99% match: 60% of full rate
0-85% match: 100% of full rate
Homogeneity/internal fuzzies/fuzzies-to-be OFF
This is what I feel comfortable with (ie I earn a consistent, not "discounted", hourly rate). I figure out the money I should earn on a given project based on this grid, and compare it with what I am offered.
The difference is the money I LOSE (or give away to the agency).
Then it's a matter of increasing the base rate or turning down projects with many matches if the discounted grid leads to a discounted hourly rate.
Discount grids are not meant to be additional discounts, but to account for the time you (are supposed to) save recycling existing translations.
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Jan Truper
Germany
Local time: 17:52
Member (2016)
English to German
I accept fuzzy tables, but if the breakdown is devaluing,
-I either raise my base rate, or
-I only accept jobs where the devaluing percentage brackets are insignificant
This, for example...
Clément Marquet wrote:
Fuzzy matches (75%-94%) --> 50% of full price
...I would reject, or I would raise my base rate.
Fuzzy pricing should be looked at on a per-language basis, and it should be considering the actual work involved -- for English into German translation, for example, an 80 % match often means a full rewrite, because a change of one English word can have grammatical consequences for a bunch of German words.
My usual base rate is based on this table:
Initial ------------------------Rate Adjustment
100% Match/Repetition-----10%
95-99% Fuzzy---------------30%
85-94% Fuzzy---------------60%
0-84% Fuzzy----------------100%
[Edited at 2022-04-26 08:10 GMT]
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Jan Truper
Germany
Local time: 17:52
Member (2016)
English to German
[Edited at 2022-04-26 08:11 GMT]
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Lingua 5B
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Local time: 17:52
Member (2009)
English to Croatian
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| New trends with 100% matches. | Apr 26, 2022 |
100%s used to be paid like 30%, and now they are dropping them completely out of the grid - no payment.
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My grid looks like this:
100% match = 100%
95-99% match = 100%
80-94% match = 100%
50-79% match = 100%
Less than 50% match = 100%
Oh, and if there were lots of repetitions I would charge 110-150% for everything to compensate for the boredom.
#takebackcontrol
[Edited at 2022-04-26 12:00 GMT]
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| No pay, no read | Apr 26, 2022 |
Lingua 5B wrote:
100%s used to be paid like 30%, and now they are dropping them completely out of the grid - no payment.
Unpaid segments should go unviewed and untouched.
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| Another new trend | Apr 26, 2022 |
Lingua 5B wrote:
100%s used to be paid like 30%, and now they are dropping them completely out of the grid - no payment.
An agency says that [quote] the system calculated the weighted time[quote]-unbelievable to say the least, have they no shame at all? A system that calculates how long a job is going to take me? That's the latest!
[Edited at 2022-04-26 13:16 GMT]
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Sadek_A
Local time: 19:52
English to Arabic
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| Definitely SECONDED! | Apr 26, 2022 |
Ice Scream wrote:
My grid looks like this:
100% match = 100%
95-99% match = 100%
80-94% match = 100%
50-79% match = 100%
Less than 50% match = 100%
Oh, and if there were lots of repetitions I would charge 110-150% for everything to compensate for the boredom.
#takebackcontrol
[Edited at 2022-04-26 12:00 GMT]
#takebackcontrol
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Adieu
Ukrainian to English
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The 75%-94% thing is very unfair. Should be higher.
And reps should be like 30% at least.
Clément Marquet wrote:
Hi,
I'm asked from an agency if I accept CAT tools rates breakdowns for repetitions.
I can't really figure out if this is fair... or not.
New translation --> full price
Fuzzy matches (75%-94%) --> 50% of full price
Fuzzy matches (95%-99%) --> 30% of full price
100% matches/repetitions --> Not to be handled
What do you usually do?
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| Sure, but... | Apr 26, 2022 |
Enrique Bjarne Strand Ferrer wrote: Lingua 5B wrote:
100%s used to be paid like 30%, and now they are dropping them completely out of the grid - no payment. Unpaid segments should go unviewed and untouched.
I never accept such jobs. You're bound to find some utter nonsense in 100% matches, and I cannot unsee that and produce a great translation around such segments.
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Lingua 5B
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Local time: 17:52
Member (2009)
English to Croatian
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| On a case by case basis. | Apr 26, 2022 |
It also depends on the base rate, how much 100% repetitions there are etc.
Some of the clients still pay 100% rate for everything, without any grids. A while ago I had such a client. Their content and format was so terrible, I’d take 100%s free client any time instead of them.
But generally, I just noticed an increase in those that send offers with 100%s taken out and no interest in discussing it.
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Solen Fillatre
France
Local time: 17:52
Member (2010)
English to French
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| MT breakdown rates | Apr 26, 2022 |
Enrique's "No pay, no read" reminded me of my first MT experience in Memsource. Basically I was paid depending on how much i changed the MT suggestions. If I used it without any change, I got 0%. ZERO. I had to explain to my client that I spent time to read the source and target to figure out if the MT suggestion was good or not, and therefore should be compensated for my efforts. After some back and forth I got 10%. Now I rewrite the MT suggestion to get a higher rate. Even if the MT is exactly... See more Enrique's "No pay, no read" reminded me of my first MT experience in Memsource. Basically I was paid depending on how much i changed the MT suggestions. If I used it without any change, I got 0%. ZERO. I had to explain to my client that I spent time to read the source and target to figure out if the MT suggestion was good or not, and therefore should be compensated for my efforts. After some back and forth I got 10%. Now I rewrite the MT suggestion to get a higher rate. Even if the MT is exactly how I would have written it otherwise. Next time I'll tell them "no pay, no read".
[Edited at 2022-04-26 17:34 GMT] ▲ Collapse
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