Peishun CHIANG Aug 16, 2010:

where "スキップ" and "空読み" make difference Hi everyone,<br><br>
Just for your reference, let me provide the cases that "スキップ" and "空読み" make difference.<br><br>

If a program is reading line data or character data from a file,<br>
then "スキップ" and "空読み" will mean the same process.<br><br>

But in case the program is sequencially accessing the data in the buffer by pointers, and skipped a data,<br>
then you can say "スキップ" but not "空読み", since the program does not read the data from the file.<br>
In this case, some programmer might call this process as "読み飛ばし", but never call it "空読み", <br>and the best way to describe this is "スキップ".<br><br>

So "スキップ" and "空読み" can be compatible in some cases, but not compatible in other cases.<br><br>
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Best regards,<br>
Peishun

Julian Rippon Aug 15, 2010:

Hi Yoshimine

In the original example I posted, the programmer writes

「空読みする（行を読み飛ばす）」

Here, the text in brackets （行を読み飛ばす）is included by the programmer as an explanation of what is meant by the technical term 空読みする. If this line of the programme were being translated into English it might be translated as:

Void read (skip some lines)

I'm afraid this will be my final post on this issue, but I hope this and all the other posts can help to explain the situation to your satisfaction. I think it's important to understand a text fully in order to translate properly, so I applaud your persistence.

Julian

Yoshimine Aug 15, 2010:

Thanks, Julian. I understood "void read" is one of the HTML codes. Then I have a question here. Please check out the site that Julian had originally provided. In the content, the speaker, who is seemingly a computer programmer, clearly said 『空読み』is equal to 『読み飛ばし（す）』. So then isn't it "skip" more appropriate to use here as Pesihun stated "skip" is used for "読み飛ばす"?

Why isn't "skip" suitable here? Well, I guess "skip" wouldn't explain the whole function here, especially the lines that Peishun said "the program read a data, but it does not do any process for this data" compared to "void read." It then makes sense to me that "void read" is more suitable here. If so, don't you think, Julian, it's a functional reason, not a relationship between two words, technicality or some. Here is simple that "skim" doesn't explain a whole thing. You should have say so.^^

Peishun CHIANG Aug 14, 2010:

As Julian has said. Hi everyone,
Like Julian said, <br>this is an error/warning message, then it is not likely for a computer to show a message as "the information has been skimmed over".<br><br>
BTW, in programming, we use the word "skip（スキップする）" for this kind of process,<br> but I think "読み飛ばし/す" is the corresponding Japanese.<br><br>
HTH<br>
Peishun

Julian Rippon Aug 14, 2010:

Hi Yoshimine

I'll try to explain why void read is correct here.

In the example you gave, it would indeed be very strange to use the term void read! Skim over is clearly much more suitable here.

However the question is posted as relating to IT, and Luca specifically states, "I am translating a series of messages (error messages, warnings.)" Error messages and warnings clearly relate to computer software.

When translating error messages or warnings in computer software, it goes without saying that if a corresponding technical term exists, then it is more appropriate to use that technical term rather than to use a non-technical "general speech" translation. If no corresponding technical term exists, then we can of course use a less formal translation.

Regarding HTML, yes "Void read" is used in HTML code (or at least in C++ code). See about 3/4 of the way down the following page for several examples:

http://sunsite.ualberta.ca/Documentation/Gnu/CommonC -1.0.2...

The function of this operation is as Peishun explained in his comment.

Hope this helps.

Julian

Yoshimine Aug 14, 2010:

Hi Julian and Peishun,

Please correct me if I am wrong here. As a native Japanese, I believe "空読み" is a general term even though it apprently appears in the technical document.　I would say, "今朝、通勤の電車で雑誌（新聞）を空読みしました。”which means "I sikmmed over a magazine (newspaper) on the way to my office this morning." I don't want to be mean, but I don't understand why you have to stick with the technical term here. Is it a HTML code or some?

And I did search for "void read" on Google and got a bunch of sites. But most of those sits don't explain me about the exact meaning of the words.

Julian Rippon Aug 13, 2010:

Hi Yoshimine and Joyce

I would agree with your suggested translation "skim over" in a different context, but as Peishun Chiang explains, in the context of computer software, the technical term "void read" is more likely to be appropriate here.

I like the translation "skim over", however, and will definitely make a note of it for future reference in another context.

Julian

Peishun CHIANG Aug 13, 2010:

The meaning of "空読み" Since the message said "情報の" 空読み, and this material is also a software message, the meaning here is that the program read a data, but it does not do any process for this data, and goes on to the next data.